oversight committee looking into hillary's e-mail. >> we'll do the after the show-show with martina mcbride. >> she was terrific. >> if you have to run from the tv, run to the radio from 9 to 12:00 p.m. >> have a wonderful wednesday. bill: morning, everybody. top republicans calling for an investigation into the hillary clinton email scandal. they want to know if hillary clinton and her staff destroyed evidence and obstructed justice. martha: good morning, bill hemmer. i'm martha maccallum. all of this comes after the f.b.i. quietly released the notes from their investigation and the interview they did with hillary clinton. the document rereal clinton's emails were deleted using a special software called bleach bit and a couple devices her smashed with a hammer.

bill: the f.b.i. did not pursue charges this summer. >> the f.b.i. said they found 14,900 more emails. the associated press is suing the state department because they can't get hillary clinton's calendar from 2009. the public has a right to have her federal records, they are not her emails. and we are going to get to the truth. reporter: the f.b.i. closed its investigation and released its notes. the house overnight and reform committee says republicans claim there is a sequence of evidence that could amount to destruction of evidence. as an i.t. company deleted information on the clinton server after congressional investigators asked those companies to retain all relevant information.

in a letter to the district attorney. jason chaffetz writes, the department should investigate and determine whether hillary clinton and her saids violated statutes regarding destruction of records, obstruction of congressional inquiries, and concealment or cover-up of evidence. the inspector general at the state department said it was looking at the state department. regarding the preservation of documents at the state department, there are no witnesses listed for that hearing. bill: rich edson today, thank you. martha: the candidates trading

verbal attacks as the focus turns to national security. the republican nominee will give a speech in philadelphia. yesterday he was on the road in virginia. he will speak in philadelphia after they slammed each other over their fitness to be commander-in-chief. >> his whole campaign has been one long insult to all those who have worn the uniform. >> she is a disaster in so many different ways. >> he says he has a secret plan to defeat isis. but the secret is he has no plan. >> putin looks at her and he laughs. >> the only thing that's clear is he has no clue about what he's talking about. >> look at her decisions, virtually every decision she has made has been a loser.

martha: senior fox news correspondent john roberts joins us now. reporter: today is a big day. tonight for the first time the two candidates will face off against the moderator and the first commander-in-chief forum is being put on by the veterans of america. donald trump's military advisers think he might get a rough ride on that. the speech at the union league will lay down a number of markers and make a lot of news as well. we have a team exclusively, a copy of that speech. here is something of what donald trump will say immediately after leaving office. i'll ask my generals to present me with a plan within 30 days to defeat and destroy isis. as soon as i take office i'll

submit a new budget to help rebuild our military. here is some news. he says we can reduce the size of federal bureaucracy through responsible work attrition. when employees retire, they can be replaced with a smaller number of employees. he says the military will not be exempt. the military bureaucracy will have to be trimmed as well. we also plan to rebuild the key tools of missile defense starting with navy cruisers that are pat the heart of our defense. every state in the union will be involved creating jobs across the country. he is going to talk specific troop numbers, size of divisions. number of smips, number of aircraft that would be in the new military as rebuilt by donald trump.

though i'm not at liberty to give you those numbers at this moment. donald trump saying instead an apology tour, i will probably promote our system of government and our way of life as the best in the world. he's going to lay down a number of markers ahead of that big forum. we'll get some fundraising numbers from the trump campaign. i learned exclusively that number is said to be in the $90 million range. which is an aggregate that will be less than clintons. we don't in how much of that will go to the campaign. when it comes to the clinton campaign, $62 million. the rest to other democratic groups. >> look forward to that. bill: new polls showing there may be an opening for trump. the "wall street journal" finds this. 13% of voters were undecided in

august, compared to 8% four years ago. among those of those undecided they would prefer a republican congress. what does that mean? chris stirewalt is with us. good morning to you. is that a moving target? it would appear to be right now. or is it finding its way back to its norm of sorts. >> you go to the banquet, you have got to choose chicken, you have got to choose fish. you have got to pick. having a higher number of undecideds is a reflection of high dissatisfaction. they may want to delay but they have to choose the rounds inner orhe rubber chic -- choose the flounder or the rubber ching. either these are republican voters who are not able to come to terms with their nominee, at

least yet, or these could be people who may break for hillary clinton but want a republican congress to check on her. i predict that we'll see regardless of who wins, historically for the recent period unprecedented amounts of ticket splitting for this election. bill: among this group, the chicken is overcooked. among these undecided voters. negative opinion, clinton, 79%. trump, 79%. with numbers like that, where do they go? >> those numbers are an extreme version of what you see even among the supporters. when you get down to the end, people say is this why we see third party candidates doing better than usual. the real question at the ends is do those voters really vote.

are the people who say they are undecided, they say they are going to vote for the green party or libertarian party. are they going to show up on election day and pull the lever or are they going to say i'm going to stay home. bill: back to the point you are making there, among the undecided voters. they want a republican led congress by 48%. four years ago it was 29%. you think a strict ticket is possible now for the first time since the 1980s. >> ticket splitting has gone down. but if you have an election like this where people are dissatisfied with either choice. the chance is they will want a congress that can check on that person. if hillary clinton wins it will help democrats immensely.

bill: maybe they like salad. all these polling numbers that have come in. i'm starting to circle october 1 on the calendar. five days after the first debate. that's when you will get the first impression of these two against each other. i think that weekend will tell us a lot. >> with these undecided voters, they are more highly educated and they are people who vote. because they don't like the ching or fish option, the chances they may turn out and vote in the end because that's what they are used to do historically and personally may be higher. french police arrested a man on their terror watchlist. arrest coming after the man's car was found with 7 gas cylinders inside the vehicle. the abandoned car was parked near notre dame cathedral. there was no detonating device

but it may have been left there as a test. bill: breaking news. a $400 million payment already cashed as tehran released four americans. now the white house confirms it was more than a billion dollars. bill: should donald trump release his taxes? boy, has this been discussed a lot during this campaign. he says people don't really care about his tax returns. do you? bill where no charge in the clinton email scandal foundation. will republicans get if the f.b.i. to reopen this case? >> this is a disgrace, a disgusting situation where she pretends she doesn't know. the f.b.i. is having a very, very hard time. i don't think they have ever been through a period where so many people are so disappointed.

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>> it's a disgrace, it's a disgusting situation where she pretend she doesn't know. she had her 33,000 emails acid washed. the most sophisticated person never heard of acid wash. i don't think they have been through a period where so many

people have been so disappointed in her. >> do you have any concern emails were deleted after they were supposed to be preserved? bill: that lays out both sides. trump hitting hillary clinton on the investigation on the server. hillary clinton saying she is not worried about it. should she be? brad, trump is making the case, what does he do with this argument. he's a prosecutor. hillary will be tried in the court of public opinion and her judgment will come on election day. i think his best prosecution will come at the debate in a couple weeks. but the american people understand what happened here. while the f.b.i. says there was a crime, i think the american people think differently.

they are the jury, they will make the ultimate decision. bill: alan, where are you on this. >> in a court filing early. lawyers say a closer review of the records, the f.b.i. located reveal only one of the messages involved a flattering note from a u.s. diplomat after the testimony on benghazi. jason cha get is continuing to prosecute this case and get the f.b.i. to reopen it, but they have nothing new. they have no other argument in this election. bill: she was asked about it yesterday on the plane, and it came up in the following form of a question. is there a didn't standard for her than there is for trump? >> the american public factored

into their assessment that's the kind of guy he is. a lot of his behavior coming from him seems to be expected somehow. and that's fine if you are a reality tv star or a real estate developer. i don't think it's fine if you want to be president of the united states. bill: the fir part of her answer may be true. a lot of people have factored this in. julian assange was on with sean hannity saying there will be another document dump in the next days and weeks. the "wall street journal" is reporting that this is going to go on and on. you will have -- have 60 more days of it. >>th is no way julian assange released the best he has at the beginning of the summer.

you can be sure now that we are focusing on the elect and the american people are back pat work, this drip, drip, drip will hurt hillary clinton and it already has. donald trump knows there is enough fodder there that the american people will weigh heavily on her performance as secretary of state and being honest with the american people now. bill: how much in all candor does this concern you when you don't know what's behind door number two? >> i don't like the optics of it. but in terms of a double standard we were addressing. you have got donald trump who is just fine because of an illegal contribution by his foundation to his foundation to pam bondi, the southern general in florida to get her to drop an investigation into trump

university. there mate be more to that. we know the clinton foundation has not been proven to have done anything illegal and the trump foundation has. bill: brad, the overall impression of these two. we talked about the undecideds, and where do they go? they feel the same way about both people. what happens during that tug-of-war? >> i think they have a tough decision to make. but the good news is independents and undecideds are smog more to trump than hillary. but when you go into that voting booth and you don't like either choice. your choice is to not vote for the top of the ticket or go down ballot. it will leave a void at the top of the ticket and the's not helpful to either one.

martha: one coach is warning his players stand up for the national anthem or else. he has a warn for anybody who stays seated. he says you might be seated for quite some time. bill: close to $2 billion in cash sent to iran as hostages were sent back to the united states. why the white house across knowledges a massive payment for the very first time. >> the president should have never paid for hostages. our policy should be to never pay for the release of hostages. we should have gotten the whose takes back before the president proceeded with the iran deal in the first place. amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. sleep number beds adjust on both sides for your best sleep ever.

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martha: it turns out we paid

iran a whole lot more than the white house first suggested since the release of the hostages. the $400 million payment which got a ton of attention was just a down payment. in the end we sent $1.7 billion in total to tehran. many are concerned a lot of that money went to the revolutionary guard. it was in cold hard cash, shipped on planes in various currencies and delivered to tehran. the treasury department says the money was owed to iran because it was frozen in bank accounts in the 70s and we returned it to them with tons of interest. joining me is retired lieutenant colonel ralph peters. what do you think? >> you have to differentiate

between the first $400 million which was ransom and the reminder which to me was a massive bribe to prevent the iranians from embarrassing our president over the nuclear deal. more and more signs of desperation on obama and kerry's part that the nuke deal had to go through. iranian behavior in iraq and syria. essentially what the nuke deal did. it did not stop iran's nuclear program. it prevented us. it paralyzed us from responding to iranian provocations. martha: this money when you look back at the origins of it.

it was money paid to the pentagon for airplane parts and equipment that was never delivered after the fall of the shah government. that money. in the hague they are debating whether we owe that money. the state department told us the deal we struck, the $1.7 billion saved us a ton of money. it was going to go up to $10 billion. with $17 trillion in debt, we owe many countries money. how come this particular amount of money to iran we have to pay back this moment. >> because that's what iran demand. it was a quid pro quo. president obama was not going to get his nuke deal unless we paid that money. one wonders what else will come out from all of this as well.

the lawyers can argue forever about who owed what to whom. when it was due to be paid back. the bankers can argue about appropriate interest rates. all of that divert your attention from the core issues. we gave almost $2 billion in cash to a terrorist regime that provokes us against our interest and is slaughtering innocent people in syria every single day. you cannot justify it with legal-ease. it was a monstrous thing to do and will go down as one of the worst acts of obama's presidency. martha: in terms of the navy provocation. what do you make of that? they did the last week and they did it again this week. >> i had one commentator saying this is some low-level iranian

guards commander rolling the dice. this wouldn't happen unless it was centrally controlled and directed. the iranians are thinking several moves ahead. i think they are trying to provoke us to sink one of those boats so they can come back with hard missiles and close the straits of hormuz. their goal is to show the u.s. navy cannot enforce security in the persian gulf. martha: now they are harassing our navy ships. ralph peters thank you very much. congress is going to hold a hearing on this tomorrow. the chairman of that hearing, congressman sean duffy will be with us. bill: should donald trump release his tax returns? hillary clinton says he's hiding

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bill: hillary clinton and donald trump going after one another on national security ahead of a televised forum that will happen later tonight. hillary is setting up her argument against trump in what way? reporter: she is going after him saying he lacks the qualifications to be our connect commander-in-chief. we have had a bit of back and forth about which candidate has more generals or admirals

endorsing them. she says his visit to mexico was an embarrassment. >> when it comes to fighting isis, he has been all over the map. you would literally have to map it out. he talks about letting syria become a free zone for isis. look at the map. he says he has a secret plan to defeat isis, but the secret is he has no plan. reporter: tonight's televised international security forum. hillary clinton goes first, then donald trump will go next. bill: hillary clinton gets an endorsement from an unusual source. reporter: the "dallas morning news" published quote hillary clinton has spent years in the trenches doing the hard work

needed to prepare herself to lead our nation. in this race at this time she deserves your vote. it will be interesting to see the reader feedback in conservative texas. martha: hillary clinton says it's time donald trump releases his taxes. but trump says he thinks it's not a big issue in the minds of the american people. >> i don't think people care. i released the most extensive financial review it's 100 or more pages of names of companies, location of companies, ets wets, et cetera,. you don't learn much in a tax return. >> he clearly has something to hide. we don't know exactly wait is but we are getting better

guesses about what it probably is. if he's going to pursue this campaign he owes it to the american people to come clean and release those taxes. martha: i'm joined by mike huckabee the former governor of arkansas. welcome, good to have you with us. good morning to you. let's take a look at this. let's take a look at what people think about this. donald trump says people don't care about whether he releases his tax returns. in this take, is donald trump hiding something in his tax returns. 60% say yes. when you break it down by party 60% of republicans say yes, he's trying to hide something in those returns. independents, 61% say he is. why not air this out. >> i was chuckling and couldn't help but laugh when i heard

hillary say i think donald trump is hiding something. this is coming from a lady who used hammers to beat up 13 cell phones and erased thousands and emails she was required by law to keep and share with congress and the f.b.i., and she is talking about hiding something? that's rich. that really is. but let's get to the issue at hand of tax returns. donald trump would be making a huge mistake to release tax returns for a simple reason. nobody understands tax returns. i know you have somebody do yours and i know i have somebody do mine. nobody understands the complexity of a 77,000 page tax code. there is not a reporter who has a clue about reading donald trump's tax returns. martha: governor, here is the bottom line. people wants to know what rate he has been paying.

he has said if you sort of look back at his prior speeches. he said he basically pays as little as possible. there are plenty of americans who can relate to that. >> good for him. martha: people say i want to pay the legally lowest rate i can pay and they pay accountants to help them figure' out how to give up as little of their money as they can under the law. why not say i followed my accountants instructions to the letter of the law and here is what i paid. >> he made it clear until this audit the irs has subjected him to, he's not going to does it. if donald trump releases his tax returns for the next two months there will be people who every day will nitpick those tax returns. the biggest mistake i ever made

as a candidate for office was release 20 years of tax returns. my opponent didn't. i got beat up because somebody knick picked and there was nothing there. martha, it's loading a gun point at hour own head. the f.f.i., the financial statements we have to provide as candidates. tax returns are not required to be released under law. martha: he's saying he thinks not releasing is better than not releasing in terms of where people focus the next couple months. i want to play this sounds bite from pam bondsy. she is talking about whether a payment made by the trump foundation persuaded to her to drop an investigation in the trump university.

>> this is about hillary clinton trying to deflect everything she did at secretary of state. of course, i asked donald trump for a contribution, that's not what this is about. >> i think pam is right. i know pam pretty well. she is a person of high integrity. i don't think anybody has ever been able to say pam bondi has been operating in anything other than an honorable fashion. for hillary clinton supporters to make an ominous connection because she didn't pursue a complaint against donald trump university, it's not a big story. martha: do you think she wasn't aware they were considering joining the investigation begun in new york state? >> well, according to her office

it never got all the way to her desk. there was only one complaint. they didn't take it that seriously and it didn't get specifically all the way up to her. if that's what they say. until somebody proves they are lying, i have to accept that at face value. what we do know is there were a lot of times -- this is about political contributions. one thing i always admired about donald trump, and i remember when he first said it on the debate stage. he said i'm a businessman. i give money to democrats and republicans because that's how the game is played. i thought bravo that he admitted it. donald trump may be the only person who can change it because he's never been on the receiving ends. he's been on the giving end and he knows how corrupt it is and he can change it. martha: we'll see where all this goes from here.

it's always good to have you with us. bill: back in 2009 hillary clinton was facing a senate confirmation. today a leading senator says he was duped. >> the clinton foundation exists as a temptation for any foreign entity or government to curry favor through a donation. it's the best time of the year... time for the can-am yellow tag sales event.

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bill: concerns from republican senators who believe hillary clinton mislead them. john cornyn is concerned about conflicts of interest with the clinton foundation. this is her conversation with senator dick lugar. >> the clinton foundation exists as temptation for any foreign

government to curry favor from the foundation. >> the office of government ethics and the career officials at the state department looked at the rules and concluded there is not an inherent conflict of interest. >> that was then. now john cornyn is on the committee with me. you were not in that hearing room. but you had a private conversation with her and she said what then, senator? >> she reassured me there would be no conflict of interest. as senator lugar, the chairman of the foreign relations committee said. i know this is as concern shared by president obama and the white house because they entered into a memorandum of understanding about what the clinton foundation would and would not do. as we know now, there was access granted to donors and communications and some of the

peoples we have seen with her staff which indicate that making a contribution to the clinton foundation was an opportunity to gain access to the department through secretary clinton. bill: the record shows you voted for her confirmation. >> i voted based on her assurance. if that vote were held today i would not because i think she misled us. bill: she had they had 300,000 donors and no organization in the world has had more transparency. what do you think about that claim now? >> i don't think that's true as we know with the emails are missing. we don't know what kind of communications took place with her staff and donors and the clinton foundation. it is real why it appearance of

impropriety that's the problem that contributes to this reputation that she and her husband have of untrustworthiness. people who believe the rules don't apply to them like they apply to you and me. that's a problem that's self-inflicted. >> the question is what do you want from this? i know some republicans want a special prosecutor. that's not going to happen under this administration. >> unfortunately you are right. loretta lynch, the attorney general is a political appointee and he's not going to let that happen. i think the american people deserve to know and congress deserves to point out the american people and president obama and his administration have been misled by secretary clinton in terms of how the clinton foundation would operate. especially as it comes to what senator lugar pointed out.

i think it's wrong. bill: i saw action by marco rubio yesterday. what can you do? >> i think this is in the hands of voters by and large. obviously they think she is not trustworthy. roughly 70% of those polled. this is why. it's not because of thing people are doing to them. it's because of of self-inflicted dan like this. i think it undermines the credibility of not only mrs. clinton but her campaign and i think it's ultimately going to be decided by the voters come november 8. bill: you say you were duped. you stand by that. >> i do. i would not vote for her confirmation today knowing what i know today. i relied on her misrepresentation. bill: thank you, sir. martha: as colin kaepernick

continues to protest during "the national anthem" and other athletes follow suit, the coach of team u.s.a.'s hockey squad laying down the law for his players. bill: could this be another california gold rush?

bill: they call it the golden state for a reason. a and panning for -- a man panning for gold. the lucky treasure hunter not

telling us exactly where he found it for good reason. that hunk of gold expected to fetch $70,000. martha: the 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick continues to sit for the national anthem. team u.s.a. hockey coach has a mess and for his players. -- a message for his players. he says anybody who sits will sit on the bench for the world cup of hockey. so interesting coming from this hockey coach. reporter: he's one of the more colorful coaches in hockey. he's a stanley cup champion and has no problem speaking his mind. he took his opportunity to say we are not going to play kaepernick games. we are representing team u.s.a.

the world cup of hockey start with an exhibition game in columbus. what if any of the players were to say i'm not going to stand. it's not like it's a government agency it's a hockey team. martha: when you are playing for a u.s.a. team might be slightly different than playing for franchising in a state with the nfl. in terms of the support kaepernick is getting from other supporters, what do we see there. reporter: eric reid kneeled with him for the anthem. soccer player megyn rathnoid kneeled. the dallas cowboys weren't allowed to have decals on their

helmets in honor of the fallen police officers. but the hockey coach says it doesn't fly here. it will be interesting to see if there will be brushback for this. martha: the nfl in their rules says it's your choice. the nba says you must stand. >> this is different because it's international hockey. we don't want to talk about race but we are wrong if we don't look at the racial breakdown here. as far as those who support and approve colin kaepernick. the nfl is 8% african-american, the nhl3%. this is nhl players in this situation. so you see the connection here. martha: it seems to run counter to you are allowed to protest whatever you want in this country. to stand for the flag i'm allowed to say and do whatever i think. thank you very much.

good to have you with us. bill: the candidates making the case on national security today and donald trump addresses the state of our military today.e. both candidates will make their arguments. and people can spread it without knowing it. understand the danger your new grandchild faces. talk to your doctor or pharmacist about a whooping cough vaccination today. ♪ everything kids touch at school sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

martha: today battle is over national security as an issue, as that takes center stage on road to the white house. donald trump will speak at 11:00 this morning, in philadelphia. he is at the union league today. he promises to talk about the plan to rebuild our military and get very specific about the numbers of ships that he would put back into action and all of his plans for the military. so that is coming up at 11. welcome to brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. we hear trump will call for defense spending while trimming the military bureaucracy in a speech in philadelphia. we'll carry it live when it

happens. both sparring on diplomacy and again on temperment. >> hillary lights to play tough with russia. putin looks at her and he laughs, okay? he laughs. [applause] putin, putin looks at hillary clinton and he smiles. boy would he like to see her. that would be easy because just look at her decisions. look how bad her decisions has been. virtually every decision she has made has been a loser. >> he managed to turn his trip to mexico into embarrassing international incident. he got into a twitter war with the president of mexico. he is temperament tally unfit and totally unqualified to be president of the united states. [cheering] martha: when you watch these two, the outlines of what we are likely to see in these debates are sort of starting to emerge. it is getting quite interesting. tucker carlson joins me, editor of "the daily caller" and host

of "fox & friends weekend." nice to have you here as well and contributor to us. we sawings that security. we saw outlines of that we expect donald trump will roll out pretty robust spending plan of our military. and he will cut brat brattic costs. how is the argument shaping up. >> that is not so much different from hillary clinton's plan. they both said we have to spend more on military. nbc poll has him up 20 points on military. that is something to brag about. but using nuclear weapons losing a couple points to hillary. this points to the temperment matter. this is of concern to voters. a democrat super-pac is pushing a "dr. strangelove" ad about trump. more likely to launch nuclear weapons against our enemies because he is crazy. he did have a twitter war with the president of the mexico. he will say this, hillary over

the course of her career on front lines of anxiousness to use force against anybody who is perceived threat, whether in libya or syria in ways that are counterproductive to american national security. trump is running on antiwar platform if you listen to what he is saying. he hasn't explained that very well to voters but he probably should. martha: if you look at things he said about the iraq war and different interactions, shall we say we have had over the years he has not been too trigger happy. >> no. martha: essentially. but i think that she's portraying him as somebody who is brash and perhaps irrational in his responses. >> yes. martha: and that has, as you point out, in some of these polls, gained traction. people are worried, voters are worried that he might be trigger happy. >> that is exactly it. the temperament matter is a real thing. it's a real thing for republican voters too. i don't think he can overstate enough his real position. one of the reasons he is so

deeply unpopular among republicans in washington, veterans of bush administration because he went after them for nation-building and iraq and afghanistan and syria and he is deeply resented about that. when you scratch the surface of the democratic foreign policy establishment they think climate change is. and yet, hillary clinton and barack obama, if you get beyond one sentence on their foreign policy views they will say this is the real threat to us. i just don't think that is mainstream position. i don't know if he will bring that up. i think it might help if he did. martha: we'll squeeze in one more sound bite, get your thoughts on it. play that. >> i'm about jobs. i'm about defense. i'm about borders and a lot of things. i'm about our vets, strong military. whether you break it down into men or women or anybody else, i think people want to hear and

i'm much better at it than she is. martha: is the message getting clearer? he enumerated it in a way that suggests what he is trying to do is stay focused message. >> i am strong, she is weak. i am healthy, she is ailing. that is effective message. but at same time, strong by sane, strong by reliable, strong but not volatile. i think that is worth articulating as well. martha: there are a lot of undecided voters. they're watching closely that labor day and summer days are behind us. tucker, thanks very much. >> thanks, martha. martha: you bet. bill: here is a story you will hear a lot about. fox news alert. we know how much cash we paid to iran and congress will hold a hearing on it tomorrow. the u.s. delivering the money on same day that tehran released four americans detained there. the white house admitting the timing of the payment was used as leverage but insists the money was not ransom. ron johnson, republican from wisconsin will chair tomorrow's hearing. thank you for coming back to our

program. we now know it was 1.7 billion in cash, a miss of swiss francs and euros and other currencies. what do you think of that now? >> in tomorrow's hearing, you're right, we want to talk about the ransom portion of the payment for release of the five hostages but what concerns us, bill, we sent iran $1.7 billion. this doesn't go to the good works of the iranian people, this goes to the iranian military that harassing our military in the persian gulf. what concerns us it wasn't sent in the home currency of the real, it was sent in global currency. that allows them to fund global terrorism and the global regime can use. bill: why would that be? >> i think iran is a tough negotiator. they asked for easily accessible cash, and because obama wanted a deal he capitulated and sent

lead sponsor of terrorism in the world hard, cold cash they can use for really bad purposes. but it goes to another point, bill, too. the original payment that iran made pre'79 was for $400 million. there is no necessary requirement that we paid interest on money. it was held in escrow account. it wasn't bearing interest. obama acceded point and sent another $1.7 billion of taxpayer money on top of the original 400 million. that is so concerning for our committee. i got to tell you, this should be an open pros. i asked for the document as chairman of oversight a month ago. the administration has refused to provide us that documentation. two weeks ago i asked for the doj, state and treasury to appear at thursday's hearing. they denied that request. so now chairman hensarling, chairman of financial services is in process of looking subpoenaing them to come in and testify. bill: that may come next.

two more points, quickly. state department says this. the form of those principle, interest payments made in non-u.s. currency in cash necessitated by effectiveness of u.s. and international sanctions regimes. suggesting we were so good you had to give them cold hard cash. and money can not be traced when it is in the form of cash, as you know. and what president obama said when this first was revealed is that, we didn't not have an avenue to wire the money. i don't know, do you buy that? can you find another way to go through a swiss bank account, that you could wire the money through friendly country and forward that way. >> if you believe barack obama, you believe if you like your health care and your doctor you can keep them and you probably believe this was not a ransom payment. of course this payment could have been made through a wire transfer. the iranians wanted hard cold cash, going into the military to fund their terrorist network and

to buy armaments and military technology. they want the cash. their reserves were depleted this was now sent to them in very usable way. i think obama acceded the point because of legacy purposes. he wanted a deal done with iran. bill: he gave a strong defense, saying that he talks with american families held overseas all the time and would never pay ransom, never. that's what he said. >> i know he said it but frankly the 400 million came in on the same day that the five hostages were released. and again we always hear, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. obama can call it whatever he wants but no doubt we paid 400 million for the release of our men. the problem we made the payment in cash which you said is untraceable. and is -- bill: might have been 1.7 billion. that was the total figure in the end after two more payments sent through. >> 400 total payment already

made in cash, 1.7 billion. in taxpayer money. bill: sean duffy, congressman from wisconsin. thank you for your time today. martha: hillary clinton saying russia is trying to hack our elections. bill clinton saying russian vladmir putin may want to help elect donald trump. >> we know, based on our own intelligence analysis that the russians were behind the hack of the dnc. and the providing of information for it to be disclosed from the dnc. every american should be concerned about russia doing anything to try to tilt and influence our election. martha: for his part, president putin speaking out denies any involvement. >> translator: this is very difficult to verify if not completely impossible to verify. at a state level we are definitely not involved in this.

martha: while putin denies involvement in the hacking the russian president says the important thing is that the information that was revealed was given to the public. bill: another alert now. there is concern here that the famed cathedral of notre dame in paris today. police confirmed they uncovered a terror plot. what they found nearby and what we're learning about two suspects now in custody. we'll tell you about that. plus there is this. >> hillary clinton says she can't remember what a c in brackets stands for. it is absolutely incredible for clinton to lie. she is lying about not knowing what that is. martha: that was julian assange with harsh words for hillary clinton. we'll talk about that, plus the new information the wikileaks founder is promising to reveal. could donald trump have an opening in the path for victory? one group of voters that may help the republican nominee at this point, and how both candidates are getting ready for these upcoming debates. >> there will be a lot

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martha: so one of the recent revelations from the fbi investigation into hillary clinton is the democratic nominee's claim when she spoke to the fbi on that saturday, july the 2nd, in a couple of hours when they met, she said that she didn't understand the

letter c on some of those documents meant classified in emails that contained secret material but in an exclusive interview with fox news, wikileaks founder, julian assange, says he and he is not alone in this thinking believe that just doesn't add up. >> we have already released thousands of cables by hillary clinton. here she is, clinton, see that clear signature, clinton with a c in bracket right there. >> wow. >> thousands where she herself has use ad c in brackets and signed it off. and more than 22,000 times she has received cables from others with this c in brackets. so it is absolutely incredible for clinton to lie. she is lying about not knowing what that is. martha: assange promising that he has more clinton campaign leaks. and that they will come out and that they are significant before

the election. bill mcgurn joins me now, main street columnist for "wall street journal." always grad -- glad to have you with us. this description of why hillary clinton didn't think anything much of the c. she has enormous amount of experience dealing with classified information dealing with her many positions in government, right? >> look. i used to work in the white house. we all know what classified is. it is a sad day when julian assange has more credibility than hillary clinton or her husband bill. there is a reason she says these ridiculous things. because the truth is worse for her. she has to make up these things if she doesn't recall, doesn't know what the "c" is for. she new damn well what was going on. she didn't care what the effect was. she was hiding emails in personal server. she can't say those things. martha: look at her response to this on the plane yesterday. let's watch. >> i take classification

seriously. in fact i couldn't remember certain meetings, whether or not they had occurred, doesn't in any way affect the commitment that i had and still have to the treatment of classified material. martha: there she says she doesn't know what the "c" meant. look at this from bill clinton on august 16th. he claims she knew exactly what the c meant and sheer what they it meant. >> they saw two little note with a quote c" on it. this is biggest load of bull i ever heard. were about telephone calls that she needed to make. the state department typically put as little "c" on it to discourage people from discussing in in public in event the secretary of state, who it is doesn't make a telephone call. does that sound threatening to national security to you? martha: really. the qc" according to bill clinton means a phone call

that needs to be made. that argument and excuse has been tabled. we never heard that whole line of thinking again. >> it is completely eviscerated. increasing any clinton statement, the police board in "ncis," they put little stickies about the facts and you find out none is true. it all contradicts. but it has a purpose because it confuses people. look, what i, what i wrote this week is the troubling thing for me is not another hillary lie. it is that she was able to take her entire communications off grid and the state department let her do it. they're still stonewalling on this. martha: yeah, in your piece which we spoke about here the other day, you point to the irs. >> right. martha: the department of justice. >> right. martha: and this investigation. an -- >> look at her now. look, if these things are coming out now, at a very bad time for her, no one knows what mrs. clinton's speech is on the economy or on this because everything is focused on emails.

but this is because of her own deceit that is coming out now. she made herself very vulnerable to people like julian assange or to judges that order information released based on a freedom of information lawsuit. martha: i mean a lot of people have brought this fbi interview and the handling by the department of justice into new investigations. >> right. martha: it is very concerning that she said tease things in this meeting. then it was all just brushed away. >> cheryl mills was there, the capacity she was there. it just, nothing turns out to be true of anything we're told. martha: do you think anything comes of congress wanting to investigate the fbi investigation. >> i d martha: because of what you say. >> i think what it points to again, the failure at so many different levels of government, the permanent staff, to say you can't do these things. again, i worked in the bush white house. we took classified information very, very seriously.

and lowest level staffer knew that. came in special folders. you put it in a safe. and what we've been asked to believe by mrs. clinton is just incredible. >> bill, thank you very much. >> thank you. martha: bill mcgurn, "wall street journal." bill: now those infamous deleted emails are compared to another infamous deletion by the nixon white house the politics as usual or obstruction of justice? judge napolitano here with his take on that. also the undecided american voter today can make a big and final decision come november. what a new poll tells us about them today as trump expresses confidence 60 days from now. >> i'm just saying, the republican party has a tougher road, there is no question about it. i've known that. it has been that way for a long number of years but i think we're doing well and i think we're going to win.

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martha: murder suspect now back in custody, that after he escaped a from a police station last week. alonzo perez slipped out of his handcuffs sitting alone in interrogation room in north las vegas. a four-day manhunt ensued. officers tracked perez to a private home ultimately. he is suspected in a deadly shooting at a mcdonald's. witnesses say it started as an argument over holding a door open. bill: fox news alert on a potential terror plot in paris. police investigating a car found parked near the notre dame cathedral carrying several gas canisters inside. two people held in connection. they are on high alert in france after a string of attacks by isis and threats against landmarks throughout the country. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot live in london picks up the story from there and what more do we know, greg? reporter: bill a real scare for sure.

french officials taking it very seriously. here is what we know. the sunday morning the car was found in the heart of paris district as you noted a few blocks from the notre dame cathedral. with a very deadly cargo. six-gallon canisters, most filled with volatile propane gasoline. the car was left abandoned two hours. owner of the car said to be on terror watch list. notebook with arabic writing found in the car. "couplinged" to the car were arrested. hitch is no detonator found in the car. no way to ignite the gas inside of the car. one speculation line is, that this was a dry run for an attack. just in may top french firms were saying that saying that paris could be the target of a a car bomb attacked. martha: donald trump's running

mate taking aim at hillary clinton. >> we found 15,000 more additional emails dealing with national security. i will have to be honest with you, i am experiencing clinton scandal fatigue. but there is a cure. martha: governor mike pence also painting clinton as, he says, the most dishonest candidate since richard nixon. how strong is the case against her for obstruction of justice? judge napolitano will weigh it next. bill: also why one, one of the biggest banks in the company telling top executives do not donate to team trump. you are not allowed at our firm. make a guess. ♪ ah. martha: ah-ha.

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fox news alert now. we're awaiting remarks from donald trump. he is scheduled for the top of the hour today. he will visit philadelphia's historic union league where he is expected to make an appeal to veterans and to speak about national security and military readiness. his speech comes just four-days before the 15th commemoration of the 9/11 attacks. tonight mr. trump and hillary clinton will speak separately at a televised national security forum. bill: as we he await that, revelations about the destruction of hillary clinton's emails despite legal orders to preserve them. that came before the destruction took place, sparking comparisons now to watergate. >> you know, it was a long time ago when i was still a boy that i remember a president who deleted 18 1/2 minutes of tape. [laughter] he was held accountable for that. and now, hillary clinton deleted almost 18,000 emails. that doesn't look like politics,

folks. that looks like obstruction. and the american people are sick and tired of it. bill: judge andrew napolitano has been on the story from the very beginning, fox news senior judicial analyst. great to see you here today. >> thank you, bill. bill: fair comparison to 1973, or not? >> yes, it is a fair comparison, if you're talking about the seriousness of the information destroyed and the amount of information destroyed, what happened at the hands of people working, or at the direction of mrs. clinton was far worse than any 18 1/2 minute gap on president nixon's internal office recording equipment. bill: so the subpoena was filed. to preserve the records. >> right. bill: and then after that happened, the devices were destroyed. the emails were deleted. what is the timeline. >> yes. the timeline is the committee on benghazi and the committee on house administration serve a letter to preserve, to secretary

clinton. in the benghazi case she was still the secretary of state, saying we are ordering you to preserve all emails and all documents that have anything to do with your service as secretary of state and your stewardship at the consulate of benghazi because we're going to investigate it. then she leaves office. then, these things disappear. then a subpoena is served. we find there were no. mails in the state department because she had all of them diverted through her husband's server in chappaqua and the rest is history. what we learned last week on friday of labor day weekend, sorry to sound like her now, sorry. bill: maybe you're allergic. >> what we learned on friday of labor day weekend was that the fbi knew about the destruction with a sledgehammer of two blackberries that the fbi knew a server had been wiped clean professionally by a service

called bleachbit, which means you can not resurrect it after bleachbit is applied to it. we learn ad laptop used by one of mrs. clinton's senior aides put in u.s. mail and never arrived at the location -- bill: you're laying out a case of obstruction of justice, that's what you think? >> i'm laying out two cases. obstruction of justice by people working for mrs. clinton, either directly or contractors she hired, and fbi being told to look the other way in the face of this obstruction of justice. bill: stop there. why would the fbi do that? >> because the fbi was restrained in its interrogation of mrs. clinton. they never called a grand jury. they never got a subpoena. they never got a search warrant. and the documents that they released on friday i counted five statements by the fbi in their saying, we couldn't find this, we couldn't get that, it is their own fault they couldn't find it because they didn't have

available to them the law enforcement tools they should have because somebody in the white house stopped them. bill: you think that is true? >> yes i do. i believe -- bill: you're saying that james comey, the head of the fbi, listened to an order from the white house, not to pursue -- >> i don't know if it was him personally but he certainly responsible for what happened. and i know that there are fbi agents profoundly disturbed with the outcome of this case because they saw serious evidence of crimes which are not being prosecuted. that does harm to the public safety, harm to the rule of law. and in their case, it does harm to the reputation of the fbi. bill: no grand jury? >> correct. bill: no subpoenas? >> correct. bill: no search warrants? >> correct. unheard of. bill: where does that lead you? >> it leads me to the conclusion at the outset of the investigation a decision was made by someone somewhere that it would end up exonerating mrs. clinton because the evidence of guilt, two cases,

failure to keep state secrets secret, espionage, obstruction of justice, interfering with government procedure. the evidence of guilt in both cases are overwhelming. we're seeing no indictments and no charges by anybody. bill: does it end now. >> i don't know. i doubt that congressman -- bill: what would keep it going other than a special prosecutor which you know will not happen? >> correct. i also don't think congressman chaffetz, my hat is off to him, because he is shoveling against the tide, so to speak, will not be able to get to the bottom of this by election day, trying a hard as he is apparently doing. bill: judge andrew napolitano here in studio. strong stuff. >> yes it is. bill: martha? martha: how about this? goldman sachs is telling top executives that they can not donate to the trump-pence campaign. a investment bank setting new rules to shield the firm of accusations of pay-to-play. it prohibits donations to

politicians running for state or local office as well as donations to the state officials seeking federal office, which would apply to governor mike pence. that loophole doesn't apply to the other campaign because senator kaine is not considered a local or state official. that is kind of interesting. bill: to borrow stirewalt's comparison about the fish or chicken, i guess they can't have either. martha: you don't get to pick the fish or chicken at goldman saks, if you want to donate to one the presidential campaigns. sounds like only one you're allowed to donate to is the clinton campaign. bill: if you want to eat, you do what we say. martha: fish or chicken, folks, we ask you. how about this as well, as this terrible story surfaces. the syrian government being blamed for a toxic gas attack that killed at least one person, and injured dozens more in aleppo. john huddy, live from our middle east bureau with just the

latest on the horrific situation in syria, just another case now, it sounds like of a chlorine gas attack there, john? reporter: absolutely, that is the allegation, martha. not the first time that syria's government has been accused of using chlorine gas and likely not be the last time either. that said, taking a look again at this video, rescue workers and also the uk-based syrian observatory for human rights report that one person was killed and at least 100 others injured including close to 40 children after a gas attack in a rebel-held part of eastern aleppo. we see that video of men, women and children, particularly the children, struggling to breathe. witnesses describe government helicopters dropping so-called barrel bombs on these civilian locations. syria's government though, martha, as you mentioned, continues to deny its use of chlorine gas but a recent u.n.

inquiry determined that syria's government used chlorine gas on two occasions, in 2014 and 2015. and the u.n. is also investigating another alleged attack that happened early last month and presumably will be investigating the latest one as well. martha? martha: horrible. john, thank you very much. bill: 20 minutes now before the hour. who will undecided voters support come november? there are new numbers that show they could provide an opening for donald trump. we'll explain and show that to you to try to figure it out in a moment. martha: a little mouse, bill, being blamed for one big mess. how one driver got left water logged. ♪

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she was telling police she pulled out of a parking space in a park, when a mouse brushed against her leg. she panicked and jumped out. the vehicle rolled forward right into the water. martha: oh, no. >> cars end up in the bay for different reasons. this is just another one were they happened. usually they're distracted or something happens in the car and next thing the car rolls off into the water. we're so close to the water at edge of the park. bill: you heard the reasons of the you know. i guess there is explanation for everything eventually. the woman was not hurt by the way. we do not know about the condition of the mouse. martha: i love it. go into the bay for all kinds of reasons. sometimes it's a mouse. moving forward, so the showdown coming between donald trump and hillary clinton could be decided of course by the undecideds, right? but there's some new numbers out there that give optimism to the trump campaign when you read some of these interesting tea leaves here. this is front page "wall street journal" story this comes from.

a poll found 13% of all voters right now say they are still unsure of whom they will support, far higher than that number was at this time four years ago. take a look at this. among the undecideds, 48% favor a republican-controlled congress. hinting, that these could be possible trump people, although perhaps they want a split ticket and could go the other way. joining me ed roll lynns, former campaign manage foreronald reagan and chief strategist for great america pac which supports donald trump. joe trippi, former howard dean campaign manager and. welcome to you both. interesting findings in "the wall street journal." joe, let me start with you. what do you make of it. >> it will be a close election. undecideds will decide things. i wouldn't read too much into the republican, the group that wants a republican congress. they clearly having trouble deciding to go to donald trump

already. if anything that would actually worry me if i were the trump side of things. these are people who are, sort of leaning in the republican direction, want a republican congress but for some reason can't make it to him, even with all of hillary clinton's problems that the gop has been attacking her on. so, some of them self-created. so i'm not sure you can read too much into those poll results right now. martha: ed, what do you make of them. >> first of all, these voters don't like either candidate. you have 79%, undecided, 79% don't like either one, or have unfavorable opinion of them. so in the course of a campaign you have to convert them. that is what i think can happen. unfortunately most people know these two candidates pretty well and they haven't made the sale yet. i think there will be a lot later voters, used to be a lot of switching, sense sometimes you go for president and go down and vote for different senate or congressional candidates. that is pretty much out of the game today.

unless trump, get, 93, 92% of the republicans which he is a little short of today -- martha: latest numbers show he is climbing in his support among republicans. he was at 70ing. now he is at 83%. he is convincing some of them. >> he is bringing them home, to a certain extent that is what he needs to do. if he stays where he is it gets real hard. during the course of the campaign she is becoming more and more unacceptable. debate will have impacting and that will still play out. normally election is pretty much decided by this period of time. not decided here. martha: here is another thing in this article i found really interesting, joe. it said generally, undecided voters tend to be from a lower income level group and a lower education group. however this time around, they're from a higher income, higher education level group and they are suburban voters and metropolitan communities who are the undecideds. so what do you make of that? >> well, as somebody who runs a

campaign what you look at, what are people like them already doing? in other words, so white, college educated voters are, are, for the first time giving hillary a majority, not the republican, which is what they tend to do. what they have always done, frankly. first time a democrat ever led with them. when you look at that, then you say, well, that is what makes up undecided pool, that is not a good sign for trump either. i understand what ed is saying, and agree with him, but there are, when you look deep underneath these numbers there are things that would really concern me. she is doing very well with that group. it is logical that they would break more like people who have already made up their minds have broken. martha: yeah. i mean it really comes down to the temperment issue it would appear for a lot of these undecided voters. you would think, ed, most of them had made up their mind you how they feel about hillary clinton but maybe perhaps a lot of them are on the fence whether or not they will get off the

couch and leave the house and go down to the polling place and pull the lever for donald trump? >> i think they will. at the end of the day a significant number of voters say today i'm for one of the two candidates in the race. i don't think either green party or johnson will hold up. they're not going to be in the debates. they don't have resources to be there all the way. where they are basically over10% of the vote today, i think that will diminish as time goes on. it will be down to traditional republican versus democrat. obviously you have to get your own base out, better than 90%. win majority of the independents to win. martha: quick sound bite from donald trump on debate issue. let's play that. >> yes, i'm prepping, maybe not in the traditional way. when i had the debates, i had 11 debates as you know in the primaries and i was very satisfied. everybody else was very satisfied with the way i did it. i think work same way i did there. >> any mock debates. >> haven't thought about it much. could happen.

haven't really given it much thought. martha: joe? >> look, i actually think, i think huge audiences to watch them but i'm not sure that they're going to change much. i think you can have a mistake. that always can make, that can be a moment that changes things but, i think a ton of people are going to be watching and cheering their -- what happens in a lot of these debates everybody tunes in and cheers for their candidate. martha: but 13% of these people don't know who their candidate is? >> i think ed points out don't like either one of them. i'm not sure debate performance will change one of them. exempt for mistake on one of their parts. that coulding a big moment. saw that with gerald ford. mistake moments, rage exempt for reagan, he was few had positive moments he created. >> trump is entertainer. at end of the day he is very experienced at that front. my sense he can't make a big

mistake and he can't basically be offensive to her but i think most people who are for him will be for him at end of the night, to make converts. martha: more to come. thanks you guys. bill: we're only minutes away from seeing donald trump at a campaign event today. mr. trump will give a speech on state of the u.s. military. what he would do for commander-in-chief for the military. we'll take that live from philadelphia when it starts. also, shaken not stirred, please, mr. daniel craig, producers want their james bond back. wait until you hear about this gold-plated offer. how do you walk away from this, maccallum? ♪ you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should've done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. just one of the many features that comes standard with our base policy.

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dan springer live in seattle to explain all of this. what is the report card on charter schools at age 25. let's start there, dan? reporter: not a huge surprise. parents really seem to like more choices when it comes to public schools. on average the performance of the students has been pretty good. a record 6800 charter schools are open this year. that is more than double the number 10 years ago. they're serving 2.9 million students. that is also an all-time high. it represents 6% of all kids going to public schools. a stanford study done in 2013, charter school students are doing better than peers in traditional district-run school. 28 additional days reading per year and 40 more days of math. >> we have the ability to make decisions that are always best with what students need. and we're always adapting and adjusting. reporter: and that stanford study found biggest gains were in urban districts, bill.

bill: yet there are groups still fighting charter schools. what is at the root of that, dan? >> yeah. usually the teacher unions and that's what we've seen across the board. it kind of makes sense because they tend to lose members which means they lose money and lose political power. most teachers in charter schools are not a union but union leaders say that is not the reason they're against schools of choice. they argue it makes money, takes money away from the district-run schools. that is partially true. the state dollars fall to the student but levied money stays in the district. per pupil funding should actually go up a bit in the traditional schools. still in washington state the union is trying to kill charters. >> we want to make sure that the paramount duty of the state is taken care of, and that our schools are amply funded. reporter: now the courts will have to decide in washington state. bill? bill: good deal. dan, thanks. we'll see what happens. dan springer in seattle. martha: minutes away now from a major speech by donald trump refeeling his plan to increase

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